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Stockholm · Jul 09, 2008, 03:06 AM // 03:06

You are all concentrating on the wrong thing, I'm not worried about the Alcohol in game making alcoholics out of the minors, only the double standard in US society, where companies get fined and punished for running ad campaigns about alcohol and at the same time a game marketed for teenagers is promoting it.

pumpkin pie · Jul 09, 2008, 03:10 AM // 03:10

this is like blaming violence on game and movie.

its the parents job to monitor the child, not the game.

Widowmaker · Jul 09, 2008, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

I agree less booze more topless girls!!! ZOMG!

I think you'll find it is usually "more booze more topless girls".

The lack of the former usually results in a lack of the latter.

pamelf · Jul 09, 2008, 06:20 AM // 06:20

All depends what 'society' you're from. A lot of European countries don't give a damn and don't have alcohol laws. Australia has 18+ for purchases, and any age under the supervision of parents. America is the only one that feels that you should be able to drive 5 years before you're allowed to drink.

Only America really seems to care about this stuff, so I say there's nothing wrong with it. There's a huge percentage of the GW community that aren't from the US.

RavenGT · Jul 09, 2008, 06:24 AM // 06:24

I don't understand how you view it as Anet promoting bad habits to minors. It's like complaining that E and T rated games have comical violence.

¿Evan¿ · Jul 09, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

What do you think about the situation about A-Net promoting Alcohol (sale of alcohol and the title "Drunkard") in a game marketed to +12, when the general consensus in our society is that we should minimize the exposure to alcohol as much as possible. Some states even banned alchole ads in places where kids are allowed.

Any thoughts on this?

Well.. first off you cannot assume everyone is from the states. Not everywhere has a drinking age. Even with that said the game is played on the internet where the is no rule for that.

¿Evan¿ · Jul 09, 2008, 07:11 AM // 07:11

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Originally Posted by pamelf

All depends what 'society' you're from. A lot of European countries don't give a damn and don't have alcohol laws. Australia has 18+ for purchases, and any age under the supervision of parents. America is the only one that feels that you should be able to drive 5 years before you're allowed to drink.

Only America really seems to care about this stuff, so I say there's nothing wrong with it. There's a huge percentage of the GW community that aren't from the US.

Actually, the us also has parental supervision laws for drinking. Along with exemptions for Religious,Medicinal, and Educational purposes.

odly · Jul 09, 2008, 08:29 AM // 08:29

How about learning your minors to "Sever Artery", "Dismember", and "Decapitate" and then steal all the possessions of your dead victim ?
Or is maiming, murdering and pillaging permitted ?

gelei · Jul 09, 2008, 08:36 AM // 08:36

To make it short: ESRB rated Guild Wars as "Teen", because the game contains Animated Blood, Suggestive Themes, Violence, Use of Alcohol. Take them together and that's why it reached that rating.

Rhamia Darigaz · Jul 09, 2008, 08:44 AM // 08:44

you guys are talking about the wrong thing.
alcohol is not the problem. the female elementalist dance is the problem with today's youth. you know what i mean.

sixofone · Jul 09, 2008, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Alcohol in game - not really a problem.

Promoting the "Drunkard" title, though... That, I don't think should be in a game marketed to 12+. (And, like so many of these vanity titles, it's pretty useless. It has no in-game effect, and you can't display more than 1 title at a time anyway, so a lot of these could be taken away with no great loss imho.)

AsyaMordina · Jul 09, 2008, 01:26 PM // 13:26

GW has a Teen rating (13+). The next rating up is a Mature rating. Having a dwarven ale in the game shouldn't put it in the same category as GTA.

Woop Shotty · Jul 09, 2008, 01:43 PM // 13:43

What kind of kid is so much affected by the GW Drunkard title that he or she drinks? If you worry that you've raised your child so badly that it starts drinking because of GW, then something is wrong in your household. If you worry you're going to lose your life by a 13-year-old DUI, then I have news for you: 13 year olds don't drive.

Oh, and it's not a pillow-punching game, so there are definitely bigger topics than this one.

Abedeus · Jul 09, 2008, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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Originally Posted by AsyaMordina

GW has a Teen rating (13+). The next rating up is a Mature rating. Having a dwarven ale in the game shouldn't put it in the same category as GTA.

I think GTA is 21+, Mature is 18+. There is somewhere Adult Only rating, no?

Orange Milk · Jul 09, 2008, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
90lbs? How is that in the metric system that you should be using? 40 kilograms? Where are those statistics from? Lilliput?

There is absolutly no reason I should be using the metric system when I live in the United States of America.

As for where I got those Statistics? Well where should I start, could be from Majoring in Criminal Justice in College, maybe from my Father who has been a dedicated Police Officer for 32 years, or maybe from brother who was an MP in the USMC for 4 years, or perhaps it was from just plain learning beacuse Here in the USA we try to educate young people on the use of alcohol while in school, we don't expect them to get their alcohol eduation from a video game as you have. Just because you are an uneducated moron dosen't mean the rest of us are. Click here to not be stupid anymore:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_alcohol_content

It even has metric on it for ya.

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And with drunk I mean seeing blurry, not just lacking some hand-eye coordination and time response required to drive or use heavy machinery.

AH, thanks for proving your lack of education. The LAW defines DRUNK as lacking hand-eye coordination and time response. I doubt YOUR opinion of drunk would hold up in a court of law.

JUDGE: Sir, you ran down 14 kids at a bus stop after leaving a bar, what do you have to say for yorself?
YOU: Well you honor, I had no hand-eye coordination and I saw them ther, because my vision was not blurry, but mmy response time was slowed so I didn't turn in time.
JUDGE: Vision not blurry you say? Well then, case dismissed.

ANYWAY.....

Your idea to change the title is stupid, just like most of your ideas to cahnge titles I've seen you postin these forums.

It's a "fun" title, not ment for learning a life lesson while doing, though I feel you need to get involved with thing that will help you learn something, anything really.

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A normal slim female wights 60..70 kilograms

So thats about 150lbs, I don't think you know the definition of "slim" either, well unless you live in Samoa I guess.

Eli Rela · Jul 09, 2008, 02:04 PM // 14:04

*beating care bear with tormented staff*

Go play Disney products, and btw, this game is developed in Korea, not in US.

Avarre · Jul 09, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Yes, drinking is a severe thing in a game that emphasizes genocide and gladiatorial slaughter. It might trick young kids into thinking they can successfully wield a sword at 16 Mastery in real life while intoxicated, and that just won't do.

Yol · Jul 09, 2008, 02:18 PM // 14:18

For all the dangers of forcing minors to start drinking in real life because they do it in GW, I think the community as a whole should be looking into the far-more serious implications of pahnai salad-induced drug taking and trippy-ehzah-from-above toad licking.

Hyper.nl · Jul 09, 2008, 02:18 PM // 14:18

No problem. It's a game. It's virtual. Pixels. Data. Nothing more.

Cluebag · Jul 09, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

While I'm reading these posts defending the appropriateness of alcohol in the game, simply because it's up to the parents to properly raise their children and teach them right from wrong, and because that something's presence in a video game doesn't mean that people are going to try to see if it's effects are comparable irl, (drinking, killing, etc.), then what limits a game developer from including other things that will NEVER influence the minds of young, impressionable people playing this game, apart from a silly rating? Why not include a snorting coke title, or sharing needles title, or raping little boys/girls title, counterfeiting your own money title (oh whoops, duping is bad), or any number of other things that are of questionable value, since after all, its ONLY a game? If its only a game, and all these titles are optional, what harm is there in including these sorts of additional activities that couldn't possibly corrupt young minds at all, ever. Someone in a previous post mentioned something about smoking being potentially an objectional activity in a videogame. I say why stop there? They may as well include everything as an activity title, since there is absolutely no harm associated with exposing anyone to a domestic abuse title, or an unprotected sex title, or not paying your bills title, because its a GAME. Its not up to the game developers to exercise any restraint when it comes to including harmless activities to pass the time in game, that's the parent's responsibility to ensure everyone grows up well balanced in the face of all these harmless game activities.